{"id":10612,"date":"2019-08-08T11:09:34","date_gmt":"2019-08-08T17:09:34","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.717madisonplace.com\/?p=10612"},"modified":"2019-08-08T11:31:23","modified_gmt":"2019-08-08T17:31:23","slug":"oral-argument-of-the-day-windy-city-v-facebook","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.717madisonplace.com\/?p=10612","title":{"rendered":"Oral Argument of the day:  Windy City v. Facebook"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>If you have sixty-seven minutes to spare, you might want to check out yesterday&#8217;s oral argument in <em>Facebook v. Windy City Innovations<\/em> (CJ Prost, O&#8217;Malley, Plager). It is an interesting and well-argued one.  The case concerned statutory interpretation of the AIA&#8217;s joinder statute. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A few of the issues that cropped up in the oral argument were: <\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol><li>Why didn&#8217;t the PTO intervene in the case to address whether its precedential opinion should be given <em>Chevron<\/em> deference?<\/li><li>Should the PTO&#8217;s precedential opinion panel (POP) decisions be given <em>Chevron<\/em> deference?<\/li><li>Did Congress error by referring to infringement of a patent vs. infringement of a patent claim(s) in the AIA?<\/li><li>Is the statute ambiguous?<\/li><li>Is there a clerical error in the statute?<\/li><li>Should the court ask the PTO for its thoughts &#8212; even though the PTO chose not to weigh-in in the first instance?<\/li><\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p>Judge Plager expressed the view that the USPTO&#8217;s precedential opinion panel decisions were not entitled to <em>Chevron<\/em> deference:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"http:\/\/www.717madisonplace.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/2018-1400-Plager-excerpt.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>During the oral argument, the panel was receptive of counsel&#8217;s individual experiences during patent infringement litigation (or maybe now we need to say patent <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">claim<\/span> infringement litigation) and IPR proceedings.  Interesting.  Some might think that that type of information is not of-record and mere unchallenged attorney testimony.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Judge Prost used an expression that I had not heard before.  The way it rolled off her lips, perhaps it is a mantra used in appellate judge chambers around the country:  &#8220;<em>Too bad, so sad.  Go to Congress and get them to make an amendment.<\/em>&#8220;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"http:\/\/www.717madisonplace.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/2018-1400-CJ-Prost.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This oral argument is a good example of how seriously the judges of the Federal Circuit view their role in trying to make the system work for all of those impacted by a statute &#8212; including those not represented in the proceeding.  The extensive questioning makes this abundantly clear.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>You can listen to the entire oral argument here:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"http:\/\/www.717madisonplace.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/2018-1400-11025.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>The briefing in an earlier iteration of this case is available at this prior post: [ <a href=\"https:\/\/www.717madisonplace.com\/?p=9474\">https:\/\/www.717madisonplace.com\/?p=9474<\/a> ].<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>If you have sixty-seven minutes to spare, you might want to check out yesterday&#8217;s oral argument in Facebook v. Windy City Innovations (CJ Prost, O&#8217;Malley, Plager). It is an interesting and well-argued one. The case concerned statutory interpretation of the AIA&#8217;s joinder statute. 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